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Elite 80 Warm up

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Im going today to look at a 2007 elite 80 with 4,000 miles. The owner says he bought it new. I asked him if it runs good and he said yeah, but you have to let it warm up a minute before riding. He claims its always been that way since new. Is this normal? What is an acceptable warmup time?
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Re: Elite 80 Warm up

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Greetings:

A minute sounds reasonable. Be sure to confirm the owner's assertion personally. Check to see that the engine is indeed is cold when you go over to look at it, then follow his advice. If you find he's "warmed it up for you", you won't know if he's telling the truth or if the "warm-up" takes far longer than he says. There may be something wrong if the thing won't scoot off within say, 2 minutes.

For most Internal Combustion engines, it is a good idea to get some heat going before deploying throttle. Develop a "ritual". Unmask the scooter, put the key in, fire it up and use the minute to zip up your riding jacket, button up the beanie and get gloves on. That takes most of your 60 seconds rat thar.
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Re: Elite 80 Warm up

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I had a 2001 elite 80 that was the same way. I had to let it warm up 2-3 min everytime I rode it, If you didn't let it warm up it would die out everytime you hit the throttle. And make sure you check the valves every 1000mi or so. :thumbwink:
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Re: Elite 80 Warm up

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This happens because the engine is a 4 stroke leaned the * out to make the EPA happen. Up jet the main 1 number or raise the needle one notch and this issue should go away.
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Re: Elite 80 Warm up

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I have a 96 Elite80, I warm it up just until it doesn't sputter when bumping the throttle slightly in the driveway (0 seconds - 2 minutes) depending on ambient temperatures ie summer or winter and then off I go. If I get caught by a light within a couple of blocks it may stall once, if not I'm good to go.
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Re: Elite 80 Warm up

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only 1 in 4 auto chokes or bystarters actually work.
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Re: Elite 80 Warm up

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Greetings:

Now that you mention it, both of our Sportsters were seriously cold-blooded with stock jetting in their Keihin CV-40 carbs. Harley folk even have a term for it: Carb Farts.

I rejetted Ms. Wheel-person's and mine so early I'd forgotten. It's as The Bear says, manufacturers jet within a whisper of calamity to get their emissions levels down as low as possible for the benefit of the EPA. Modifications, while technically illegal, are the only way to restore cold-weather ride-ability. On the Sportster carbs, you actually have to drill out a Pollution Police plug to be able to adjust the idle mixture!

I disagree with MadDog's statement: Most of the time the bystarter corrects pretty well for this, but it is a mechanical device which is imprecise and prone to failure. You may wish to consider cleaning the Elite's carb. Possibly the bystarter's circuit has fallen prey to the same Gum Disease that afflicts the Spree/Aero/Elite's carbs.
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Re: Elite 80 Warm up

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maddog wrote:only 1 in 4 auto chokes or bystarters actually work.
Gee, I must be lucky, I have 7 out of 9 working just fine. One of the others was already converted to a manual set up before I got it and the last one I converted but it was the old style heat controlled vacuum system. Look at it this way peed on puppy, you are consistent, always wrong.
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Re: Elite 80 Warm up

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So I bought it. I got it home and this is the best way I can describe it. Stone cold, I press the starter and it immediately starts, it runs for maybe 8-10 seconds and may sputter and come back or sputter and die. I start it again and does the same thing. This goes on for maybe 3 times. Then I jump on and drive down the road and there is a stop sign a quarter mile away and I stop and it dies. I restart and drive to the next 1/4 mile stop sign and it dies again. After about 2 miles of riding total it works perfect and idles perfect all day long.

Think that by starter is bad that was mentioned or is this normal?

If I buy the next larger jet, will this affect top end or anything else other than emissions?

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Re: Elite 80 Warm up

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joew8638 wrote:So I bought it. I got it home and this is the best way I can describe it. Stone cold, I press the starter and it immediately starts, it runs for maybe 8-10 seconds and may sputter and come back or sputter and die. I start it again and does the same thing. This goes on for maybe 3 times. Then I jump on and drive down the road and there is a stop sign a quarter mile away and I stop and it dies. I restart and drive to the next 1/4 mile stop sign and it dies again. After about 2 miles of riding total it works perfect and idles perfect all day long.

Think that by starter is bad that was mentioned or is this normal?

If I buy the next larger jet, will this affect top end or anything else other than emissions?

Thanks,
Joe
First off, it is NOT the bystarter or it would not start at all. Once you have it warmed up, adjust the idle mixture and the idle speed per the manual. This very likely will cure your idling issue.

Oh and why not let it idle for at least a minute before you ride the scooter . Two strokes do not like to run when cold unless adjusted properly.

Also do not screw with the jetting, it has nothing to do with idle.
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Re: Elite 80 Warm up

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joew8638 wrote:So I bought it. I got it home and this is the best way I can describe it. Stone cold, I press the starter and it immediately starts, it runs for maybe 8-10 seconds and may sputter and come back or sputter and die. I start it again and does the same thing. This goes on for maybe 3 times. Then I jump on and drive down the road and there is a stop sign a quarter mile away and I stop and it dies. I restart and drive to the next 1/4 mile stop sign and it dies again. After about 2 miles of riding total it works perfect and idles perfect all day long.

Think that by starter is bad that was mentioned or is this normal?

If I buy the next larger jet, will this affect top end or anything else other than emissions?

Thanks,
Joe
Mine did the exact same thing!! Let it warm up!!
Bear45-70 wrote: . Two strokes do not like to run when cold unless adjusted properly.

Also do not screw with the jetting, it has nothing to do with idle.
For someone who knows ALL...THE HONDA ELITE 80 IS A FOUR STROKE!!!!!! :crazy:
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Re: Elite 80 Warm up

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ZMUD wrote:
joew8638 wrote:So I bought it. I got it home and this is the best way I can describe it. Stone cold, I press the starter and it immediately starts, it runs for maybe 8-10 seconds and may sputter and come back or sputter and die. I start it again and does the same thing. This goes on for maybe 3 times. Then I jump on and drive down the road and there is a stop sign a quarter mile away and I stop and it dies. I restart and drive to the next 1/4 mile stop sign and it dies again. After about 2 miles of riding total it works perfect and idles perfect all day long.

Think that by starter is bad that was mentioned or is this normal?

If I buy the next larger jet, will this affect top end or anything else other than emissions?

Thanks,
Joe
Mine did the exact same thing!! Let it warm up!!
Bear45-70 wrote: . Two strokes do not like to run when cold unless adjusted properly.

Also do not screw with the jetting, it has nothing to do with idle.
For someone who knows ALL...THE HONDA ELITE 80 IS A FOUR STROKE!!!!!! :crazy:
And super lean EPA mandated carburated 4 stroke don't run when cold either moron.
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Bear45-70 wrote:
And super lean EPA mandated carburated 4 stroke don't run when cold either moron.
Can't admit when your wrong and call people name's. Who's the moron? do we now know what a elite 80 is?...its a 4 stroke!...NOT A 2 stroke!! get it right before you start typing!
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Re: Elite 80 Warm up

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ZMUD wrote:
Bear45-70 wrote:
And super lean EPA mandated carburated 4 stroke don't run when cold either moron.
Can't admit when your wrong and call people name's. Who's the moron? do we now know what a elite 80 is?...its a 4 stroke!...NOT A 2 stroke!! get it right before you start typing!
And that is the reason I don't and won't own an Elite bigger than a 50, they have EPA mandated motors and I want to play with my scooters, not undue government mandated requirements to make the motor inefficient an powerless, which have nothing to do with clean air, but the government tell you what to do.

Oh and yes, you qualify as a moron if all you can call me on is it being a 4 stroke and not a 2 stroke. Oh and there are a lot more 2 stroke Elites than there are 4 stroke ones.
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Re: Elite 80 Warm up

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This is sorta late, but I always hate when somebody has a problem and there was no resolution posted. So I did a valve adjustment as Spree suggested and replaced the bystarter and the scooter runs perfect! the one valve was tight and probably hanging open causing it to run lean and thus the need to warm up. With the valve adjustment and new bystarted it doesnt need to warmup anymore, I can pretty much fire it up and jump on and go in about 5 seconds!

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