Ah, but torque is what accelerates you, but horsepower is what gives you top speed and a 2 stroke is alway going to out horsepower a 4 stoke of equal size. If you want startling, put a 150 2 stoke in your scooter.monkeywrench wrote:ya but torques ratings r different as is tuning. you could cruise on a 4t at higher speeds with lower rpms do to torque. much easier on a 4t that a 2t. although i luv may 2t bikes. the bike was just a spare project that required no money to through at it. simply parts i had laying around. ive done enough projects on 2t so i figured this would be a good project plus i can cruise at a speed of 55 comfortablyMopedMan84 wrote:A 150cc 4t engine is the same equivalency as a 72cc 2t engine.... meaning a 150cc 4t bike would have to race a 72cc 2t bike to be fair race...Bear45-70 wrote:Mainly because 4 strokes are boring and EPA required. Oh and CC to CC, 4 strokes never have the potential for horsepower that 2 strokes do.
ch150 on a elite 50 frame
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Re: ch150 on a elite 50 frame
I don't want to get into the "2stroke vs 4stroke" debate, - they both have their strengths and weaknesses - but there is something to be said for an engine that is designed to run 50 mph at 95 mpg and another that is tuned and squeezed to run 50 mph at 40 mpg.
Building is fun, and tuning can be fun, but reliability is important.
Building is fun, and tuning can be fun, but reliability is important.
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Re: ch150 on a elite 50 frame
Unfair comparison. Compare a 125 to a 125 or a 150 to a 150, which you can't because the EPA won't allow it without $1500 of DFI (Direct Fuel Injection) technology on the 2 stroke. I figure by undoing Honda's EPA required limitations on my Aero 125 I should have at least a 75 mph machine with an easy 55 mph cruise.mr pibbs wrote:I don't want to get into the "2stroke vs 4stroke" debate, - they both have their strengths and weaknesses - but there is something to be said for an engine that is designed to run 50 mph at 95 mpg and another that is tuned and squeezed to run 50 mph at 40 mpg.
Building is fun, and tuning can be fun, but reliability is important.
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'83 Aero 80 X 3
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Re: ch150 on a elite 50 frame
You missed my point.Bear45-70 wrote:Unfair comparison. Compare a 125 to a 125 or a 150 to a 150, which you can't because the EPA won't allow it without $1500 of DFI (Direct Fuel Injection) technology on the 2 stroke. I figure by undoing Honda's EPA required limitations on my Aero 125 I should have at least a 75 mph machine with an easy 55 mph cruise.mr pibbs wrote:I don't want to get into the "2stroke vs 4stroke" debate, - they both have their strengths and weaknesses - but there is something to be said for an engine that is designed to run 50 mph at 95 mpg and another that is tuned and squeezed to run 50 mph at 40 mpg.
Building is fun, and tuning can be fun, but reliability is important.
I am not thinking philosophically, but practically.
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That scooter is great for towing trailers on the scooter... ![nerdy :nerd:](./images/smilies/icon_e_geek.gif)
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hahaha! why not! i will allready get * looks from people driving this mad max scooter around anyway.MopedMan84 wrote:That scooter is great for towing trailers on the scooter...
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will do this week end. its in the single digits on the outside temp+ im feeling cozy and lazy on this nice soft worm chairmr pibbs wrote:More pics?
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Re: ch150 on a elite 50 frame
The 4 stroke is also quieter for night riding in town. Good for not * of neighbors. That's what i like about my cheap china bike, it's very quiet. Fast two-smokers are rarely quiet, and have an exhaust note appreciated by only enthusiasts. The guy next door likley just thinks it's like firing up a chainsaw at 2am. ![Embarassed :oops:](./images/smilies/icon_redface.gif)
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1987 Spree, 42mph on 49cc (gps)
Broken...
Spreeio
1987 Spree
With af16e powah!!!!
77cc Malossi Ministroker, 24mm oKo, 30mm V8 pipe.
Chinabike 3000! GY6 clone daily driver/ beater machine bought for $75!
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Re: ch150 on a elite 50 frame
Dude that's nasty. I got a Spree frame out back I thought about doing this on to make me a bike to take to the track. I'm sure if you toy around with the transmission it'll really scream. I put a CH125 on a CH80 frame which is almost bolt in other than radiator.
I'm just waiting for another wrecked 150 to come my way. I bought 4 this summer and sold all the parts, wishing I had kept one engine.
I'm just waiting for another wrecked 150 to come my way. I bought 4 this summer and sold all the parts, wishing I had kept one engine.
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1983 Yamaha XC 180 - Bought barn fresh in mint condition and 254 miles. Best bike I ever owned
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