Converting bystarter to manual choke
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Converting bystarter to manual choke
Hello. I am investigating converting my 01 Kymco Cobra carb to a manual choke and removing the bystarter all together.
Has anyone successfully performed a similar conversion on either a Kymco or Honda? I am interested in getting a better understanding of the impact of such a move so I can determine if this is doable for me.
It is my understanding that:
1. when the engine is cold and therefore the autobystarter spring/needle is retracted it lets more gas into a little chamber which richens the mixture.
2. when the engine warms up and the autobystarter spring/needle extends it seals up the hole where the extra gas was coming from, thus leaning out the mixture.
So the autobystarter serves the same purpose as a choke, but it does so not by letting in air, but by letting in extra gas.
Thanks
Has anyone successfully performed a similar conversion on either a Kymco or Honda? I am interested in getting a better understanding of the impact of such a move so I can determine if this is doable for me.
It is my understanding that:
1. when the engine is cold and therefore the autobystarter spring/needle is retracted it lets more gas into a little chamber which richens the mixture.
2. when the engine warms up and the autobystarter spring/needle extends it seals up the hole where the extra gas was coming from, thus leaning out the mixture.
So the autobystarter serves the same purpose as a choke, but it does so not by letting in air, but by letting in extra gas.
Thanks
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Re: Converting bystarter to manual choke
It's a triple function device, It's admirable what Honda got out of this design.So the autobystarter serves the same purpose as a choke, but it does so not by letting in air, but by letting in extra gas.
- Bitty bystarter fuel well cast into the carb provides a prime
- The bystarter valve needle when retracted flows extra fuel
- Bystarter brass collar is a slide valve which controls an air passage *around* the throttle slide
Manual modification should have both the needle and air valve collar.
Couple years back noiseguy found the dellortocarb has a flip lever where the bystarter normally goes. That part as a replacement may fit your Kymco, and was priced at about $12. Full Thread
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Re: Converting bystarter to manual choke
https://www.1977mopeds.com/product/1535 ... Choke-Kit/
PHVA Flip Choke Kit
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Moped Brand: Universal
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PHVA Flip Choke Kit
SKU# 1535
Moped Brand: Universal
Top of Form 3
´┐╝
Price: ´┐╝$14.99
Availability: In Stock
To order call 800.965.1977.
Most items ship within a few days.
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Re: Converting bystarter to manual choke
So Bear this will fit a Spree ?
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Re: Converting bystarter to manual choke
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Re: Converting bystarter to manual choke
Once again Bear has been out scooter picking and just got home. Yes, it will fit all the 50 cc scooters with either a PA or PB carb.
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Re: Converting bystarter to manual choke
Has anyone actually installed this and found it to be a viable alternative to a bystarter?
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Re: Converting bystarter to manual choke
It is just a manually controlled valve instead of and electrically controlled one. The OKO carbs all use a manual bystarter.GoodJuan wrote:Has anyone actually installed this and found it to be a viable alternative to a bystarter?
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Re: Converting bystarter to manual choke
I have one on order, since my by-starter died, and this is the cheaper, and easier alternative, especially since my Spree doesn't have the side panels. I'll update when I get it installed.