85 Spree-purchased a couple weeks ago. Had to drain oil out of crank case, etc but have it running. Changed fluids but didn't do a carb clean yet.
Starts well, idles well, can drive it. If it go WOT, it revs, it get to 15-25MPH and engine dies. If I reduce throttle, it starts running again. I can play with it back and forth to get speed up but can never get it to run at WOT. What is it - clogged jet? Need a carb cleaning or am I missing something else?
Second issue - bike accelerates well from a stop at WOT but if I accelerate slowly, it feels very rough, cluncky. Clutch?
Thanks
Dies at top end
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Re: Dies at top end
Could be still some cleaning needed of jets...
Could be some insufficient fuel delivery because of petcock screen, leaky vacuum hose, float needle damage or debris...
Could be too much air getting into carb throat due to leaky airbox connections, or filter maintenance needed...
Could be something I'm not thinking of...
Could be some insufficient fuel delivery because of petcock screen, leaky vacuum hose, float needle damage or debris...
Could be too much air getting into carb throat due to leaky airbox connections, or filter maintenance needed...
Could be something I'm not thinking of...
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Re: Dies at top end
It was too much air. I had the air box off and was test driving. I didn't think it would affect on top end but that was it. Thanks
Any idea on the clunky low end when accelerating slow? I think it has more to do with drive train than carb, etc. Not an issue if I go WOT from the blocks.
Any idea on the clunky low end when accelerating slow? I think it has more to do with drive train than carb, etc. Not an issue if I go WOT from the blocks.
Re: Dies at top end
Most of the time, when getting a newly acquired scoot up and running, is spent returning it to its stock form. Sometimes un-doing what previous owners have done to them in search for more performance. Also trying to repair/replace items that have been ignored for many years due to neglect or just time sitting un-used. Something just as simple as an air fliter can wreak havoc on the proper operation of the Spree. Air leaks at the carb/intake area are common running issues as well as leaks at the exhaust connection.
It should be the first order of business when dealing with a 30+ yr old Spree that you replace a few cheap/simple items. Like air filter, spark plug, exhaust gasket, all fluids and fuel/vacuum hoses. All these would cost you only about $20 total. Then pick up a can of carb cleaner for $5 and give it a thorough cleaning.
Check for leaks everywhere around the carb/intake/reed area as well as the base of the jug and cylinder head. Test compression to ensure its within its proper range. When poking around the motor, pay close attention to anything that doesnt look stock, like holes drilled into the air filter box, modified exhaust chamber, home made wiring or other components that just look "off".
These steps take little-to-no money and will eliminate 80% of running issues that Sprees encounter. The other 20% are less common like crank seals, float needle, stuck/broken reeds, petcock valve and a few others.
It should be the first order of business when dealing with a 30+ yr old Spree that you replace a few cheap/simple items. Like air filter, spark plug, exhaust gasket, all fluids and fuel/vacuum hoses. All these would cost you only about $20 total. Then pick up a can of carb cleaner for $5 and give it a thorough cleaning.
Check for leaks everywhere around the carb/intake/reed area as well as the base of the jug and cylinder head. Test compression to ensure its within its proper range. When poking around the motor, pay close attention to anything that doesnt look stock, like holes drilled into the air filter box, modified exhaust chamber, home made wiring or other components that just look "off".
These steps take little-to-no money and will eliminate 80% of running issues that Sprees encounter. The other 20% are less common like crank seals, float needle, stuck/broken reeds, petcock valve and a few others.
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Re: Dies at top end
Take a look at the clutch.reitmeyer wrote:Any idea on the clunky low end when accelerating slow?
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Re: Dies at top end
Greetings:
Meatball nailed it. Nice, concise summary of the "To-Do" list for the new-to-you Spree owner.
I also concur with the clutch inspection. If you rough up the pads and the inside of the clutch bell - Carefully - with 100 sandpaper, you might improve the grip, but your description is consistent with an overheated, out-of-round bell.
The other thing to examine is the drive belt and the pulley faces that cradle it. I have measures belts that have considerable variation in width, measured at different points around the circumference. It's hard to imagine it not slipping when the narrower sections go across the pulley faces. The result might well be a Tug-Tug-Tug on acceleration, at a lower frequency than an oval clutch bell.
Meatball nailed it. Nice, concise summary of the "To-Do" list for the new-to-you Spree owner.
I also concur with the clutch inspection. If you rough up the pads and the inside of the clutch bell - Carefully - with 100 sandpaper, you might improve the grip, but your description is consistent with an overheated, out-of-round bell.
The other thing to examine is the drive belt and the pulley faces that cradle it. I have measures belts that have considerable variation in width, measured at different points around the circumference. It's hard to imagine it not slipping when the narrower sections go across the pulley faces. The result might well be a Tug-Tug-Tug on acceleration, at a lower frequency than an oval clutch bell.
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Re: Dies at top end
Jwpartsplus.com does clutch pad repadding for a reasonable price. I'd recommend before having it done, to buy some Leo Vince springs for the Yamaha Jog and use the yellow ones to replace the 30+ year old ones you have now. They can also bead blast the bell as well.