Stock Spree Exhaust Question

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Re: Stock Spree Exhaust Question

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All my Elite ES SB50s go 37 mph stock on level ground and off the speedometer when going down a slight hill. They are so slow off the line though that for a 180 pound rider, they lack the fun of a Spree, and as such are my least favorite to ride, as I have to "Flintstone" to get started from a full stop up even the slightest hill. I assume the gearing is higher in my SB50s than what seems to be indicated by the gear chart at:

http://hondaspree.net/wiki/index.php5?t ... ion_Ratios

Even though I didn't buy them new, it is hard for me to believe that they have had gear changes. I bought one of them with 950 miles on if from an old man.. Seems like that is too few miles to decide you want to make a gear change.

What are the rest of the Elite ES SB50 users on this forum are seeing for top speed? If everyone is seeing 37+ mph dead stock in their Elite ES, why isn't a SB50 to NQ50 a popular engine swap, (assuming the motor mounts are the same)? As understand it from other posts the SB50 exhaust will foul in the Spree plastics.. maybe that is the reason?

I also think that simply upgearing a Spree to get a higher top speed with no other modifications, will greatly reduce the fun factor of riding it, as you will loose a lot of "zip".
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Thanks for all great responses for the nq50 and against :D lol.

Eclark5483 wow thanks for the information about the intake (lungs) sounds very similar to how power out of honda's B series engines witch Im very familiar with all will post a pic of my civic if requested lol. I did read the majority of your post about tuining the BBK, kitaco intake, gears etc...As out right now I have the Taz BBK (uninstalled), on the fence about the MLM. I also messaged taz on ebay and he said a carb kit for the nq50 is in coming soon. He said I should wait to install the BBK and pair with the carb kit he was releasing. I hope thats not like secret info, sorry Taz if it is.

I dont have money to burn but I PLAN on building 2 SPREES like I said before. So Yes I want to go faster on the spree but Im not going to get all butt hurt about if it does reach "X" amount of speed. After reading a lot of other people post I feel lucky. Im 226 lbs and my 85 hits 30 on flat ground and right at 35 downhill @9-10k rpms. Its remains completely stock. So If can hit 35 + maybe 40 plus with carb, intake ,exhaust, gears and faith Ill be happy. The 85 will remain the nq50 powered .

CB900 this is for you man. You lover of the NQ50 :lol: Speed wise Ive found an AF16 JDM import on ebay and have been looking at various builds here( All 15 pages of em). Most seems to use the mallosi 70 cc bbk, V8 pipe, and what not. HItting 75 mph, which I feel is insane on a spree that wieghts 100lbs but im actaully looking forward to it. I drove one of those chuckus (knock off ruckus) for the first time. Sure it went 50 plus but it was clunky and heavy. Compared to my Spree which seems so much more nimble . This sealed the deal on a motor swap because Although I love the simplicity and performance of the Spree/nq50 it just cant keep in traffic were I live, Dallas Ft. Worth I figure I need at least 50 mph to be safe on small and residential streets. One of my goals is to be able to cruise and drag race with my chuckus friend. Their is a local 1/8 mile drag strip that I can ride to on smaller roads and its less then 8 miles away from my house .

Im learning alot about 2 strokes and carbs. All my other experiences is on import fuel injected honda bseries. I worked at a JDM Import Engine place and did Honda engine swaps mainly bseries for a long time. So turning carbs screws is completely new to me as silly as that sounds but Im learning and reading, this place and the wikispree are incredible for basic knowledge. When I purchased my 85 you had to use starting fluid to start it. The previous owner had even gone so far to drill a hole and place a small tube threw the plastics and intake hose that went directly to carb. It was just how "you started it" according to the previous owner. I knew this was not true from my other Spree. But at $120 how can you turn down a running and driving spree :smile: . After the Spree wiki, I has it cleaned, back together and now it fires right up and carrying around of starting fluid is in the past

So now hear I am now looking at hondaspree.net, instagram, scooterswapshop, and any other honda spree related information/media like a 13 year old that just found out about pornhub for the first time. Dreaming of an Af16 swapped spree drag bike because hey I live in TX and that just kinda what we do it here ( insert accent) lol. With a 2nd resto modded nq50 with a MLM pipe, BBK, and all the TAZ equipped jazz it can handle just to cruise down to buy beer and post long rants on the interwebs lol.
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Re: Stock Spree Exhaust Question

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That was my understanding too, that Taz has a carb kit in the works which will include an intake adapter that let's you get rid of stock intake/reeds. Those are the 2 things that hold his BBK back. Once installed, the Spree really comes to life.
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eclark5483 wrote:That was my understanding too, that Taz has a carb kit in the works which will include an intake adapter that let's you get rid of stock intake/reeds. Those are the 2 things that hold his BBK back. Once installed, the Spree really comes to life.
So does that solve the intake problem once combined with kitako intake you have eclark you were telling me that needed to be addressed before anything else?
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You won't need a kitaco when using the intake setup taz used to have. It's an adapter that allows dio type reeds and carbs. Way better then using SB50 reeds.
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Here's a picture (stolen from evan's YouTube) of the carb kit Taz used to offer. I am assuming Taz is shooting for the same thing (except 17-18mm carb which is more suitable then a 21mm). Notice the intake (and reed system), is way different from an NQ50/SB50. If I remember right, Evan was saying he'd get 45mph+ out of it all day with a BBK and gears. Same thing I'm getting as well. Make no mistake, it's not because of the carb we are able to do it, it's because of the intake manifold and reeds. He starts offering those again, I'll take 2 maybe 3 and ditch the Kitaco. These have a way better system.

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My last word advise if you DO decide to use a BBK. Take advantage of the Spree's oil pump and ignore the "delete the pump" arguments anybody may have. Run 96:1 in your tank with a BBK and pump. Let your carb do what a carb was meant to do. Don't burden it with supplying extra oil. Gaskets are still available for pumps. They simply do not fail. The rubber might fail, and you can get those parts from Honda and should change them anyway. You have a 30+ year old relic here. Don't be the SOB that mistreats the elderly. The Spree was made to run well. Either fix the god-d*** engine right, or put a Dio in it. Find gaskets from the site admin's eBay page to test these things yourself. Bookmark Taz's store page as well. And check out Scooter Swap Shop if you really mean business on your Spree. Joe if your one of the chosen few. :thumbwink:
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SpreeorDie85 wrote:So now hear I am now looking at hondaspree.net, instagram, scooterswapshop, and any other honda spree related information/media like a 13 year old that just found out about pornhub for the first time.
I think this is an analogy we can all relate to :lol: :lol:
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P.P.S.

I broke mine in with 2 gallons of 1/2 VP 110, 1/2 93 Octane premium for a total of 100.5 octane, rpm was limited to 8,000. Runs super awesome on regular pump gas @ 32:1 deleted pump, Thank you Jumps,and FUG meatball's Dio. :[D The jump over ain't as easy as one might think. If you put an AF16/Variated AF05E into the Spree, you still will need to modify a few things to make it all fit, so there is always that. The cost comes down to what is available to you personally. If Taz does a miracle and has intake solutions soon, then we all rejoice. A stock Spree engine is worth the money. Otherwise, reality check.. DIO. Talk to Meatball.
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Don't talk to meatball unless you've already decided to do it or need convincing... One second your at his house putting a spree back together, the next your hiding in your garage swapping in an af16....
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Re: Stock Spree Exhaust Question

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I certainly dont claim to know more than the next guy. However, I do have my experiences to share.

Started with a Spree motor...added BBK, Gears....didnt give the results I had hoped. However, I moved on once my investment reached a ridiculous amount. As I understand it, only $500 more and I wouldve "been there".

Moved onto a Variated AF05....added BBK, Gears, Pipe, Carb, Intake....Results were decent but still didnt seem like it met expectations. Full blown build with the best available parts. Still being passed up by very mild AF16 builds.

Moved onto an AF16....added Corsa BBK, 24mm Polini, 9:1 gears, Naruku Intake, ZX Trans.....Results were mind blowing. This thing lifts the front wheel on demand. Pulls like a raped ape and goes 60mph or more. Its by far the funnest thing on two wheels.

The only thing I regret is not getting one sooner. If only I had skipped the first few builds and gone straight to AF16 but....chalk it up as paying for education.
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Meatball wrote:I certainly dont claim to know more than the next guy. However, I do have my experiences to share.

Started with a Spree motor...added BBK, Gears....didnt give the results I had hoped. However, I moved on once my investment reached a ridiculous amount. As I understand it, only $500 more and I wouldve "been there".

Moved onto a Variated AF05....added BBK, Gears, Pipe, Carb, Intake....Results were decent but still didnt seem like it met expectations. Full blown build with the best available parts. Still being passed up by very mild AF16 builds.

Moved onto an AF16....added Corsa BBK, 24mm Polini, 9:1 gears, Naruku Intake, ZX Trans.....Results were mind blowing. This thing lifts the front wheel on demand. Pulls like a raped ape and goes 60mph or more. Its by far the funnest thing on two wheels.

The only thing I regret is not getting one sooner. If only I had skipped the first few builds and gone straight to AF16 but....chalk it up as paying for education.
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