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green wires connected to the carb

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:23 pm
by 26red
I just bought a spree and found out the green wires were cut from a previous owner. I tried to search and looked on wikispree with no luck. I can post a picture when i get home if that helps. I dont believe its the bystarter.
Thanks

Re: green wires connected to the carb

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:32 pm
by motormike
Green wires on Honda are always "ground" or "earth" if you prefer.

Re: green wires connected to the carb

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:49 pm
by 26red
ImageThanks for the reply. Maybe im wrong about the bystarter? Heres a pic

Re: green wires connected to the carb

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:10 pm
by motormike
That white object is in the bystarter hole, but it is NOT a bystarter.
Can't really see it well enough to tell, but looks like someone has rigged up a fitting and has a fuel line attached to it.
Can you verify that is the case ?

Re: green wires connected to the carb

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 12:54 am
by bonesv
Looks like a manual choke?

Re: green wires connected to the carb

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:14 am
by 26red
Sorry, ill try with a better pic. There isnt a fuel line going to it. Also its a yellow wire and a green wire that is cut, not just green as stated.
Do i need the bystarter to start it?
I put in a new battery and didnt get anything to click. Turned the key, held the brake and pushed the button.
Btw i do have another spree that i bought with it. Ive been swapping a few parts with it. That spree does have the bystarter connected, i suppose i could take it and rewire? Im just curious why it would be set up like it is qnd why i didn't get any response when trying to start it.
The battery is brand new and charged.

Re: green wires connected to the carb

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:16 am
by 26red
Also does the brake light bulb need to be working in order to start it? The teeth on the kickstart is a little chewed up on one of the bikes, is there a good place to buy parts or is ebay usually the only spot?
I'll probably need another bystarter and rear fender/airbox as well.
One of the exhaust bolts is broken too. :|

Where's the starter? Are there fuses for it? Is the headlight supposed to turn on without the spree running?(with the key position on)
I plan to take the spree apart this weekend to troubleshoot more.

Re: green wires connected to the carb

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:45 pm
by motormike
bonesv wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 12:54 am
Looks like a manual choke?
I agree with bonesv...looks like a manual conversion.
Pull up on the plunger to start, push down to turn off choke when warm.

Re: green wires connected to the carb

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:54 pm
by motormike
26red wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:16 am
Also does the brake light bulb need to be working in order to start it? ...YES it does
The teeth on the kickstart is a little chewed up on one of the bikes, is there a good place to buy parts or is ebay usually the only spot?Place a Wanted ad here on the forum in the proper category...you should be able to get one here...but ebay is a necessary stop for parts when the OEM parts sites show "not available"
I'll probably need another bystarter and rear fender/airbox as well....Those Green/Yellow wires are definitely for the bystarter.
One of the exhaust bolts is broken too. :|

Where's the starter?...on the engine, not familiar with Spree enough to tell you exactly where, but you better be able to find a starter if you are going to work on scooters. Are there fuses for it? ...No, only ONE main fuse, and the brake light acts as a switch, must be ON to startIs the headlight supposed to turn on without the spree running?(with the key position on)...NO, headlight ONLY works with engine running.
I plan to take the spree apart this weekend to troubleshoot more....good luck, find that starter... :urban:

Re: green wires connected to the carb

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 2:52 pm
by 26red
Cool, thanks for the information yall!

Re: green wires connected to the carb

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:31 pm
by 26red
I had a few minutes to check the issues. The second spree, when i turned the key, the tail light lit up without starting it. Still need to figure the other spree because it does nothing when i put in the battery. Must be some screwy wires somewhere 🤔

Re: green wires connected to the carb

Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:31 am
by motormike
Tail light is supposed to come on with the key.
Headlight is NOT, until engine running.

Re: green wires connected to the carb

Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:47 am
by 26red
Thank you, I will dig into the issue further when I get a chance. I suppose I'll start from the ignition and work my way down. Any other input is appreciated.

Also, the bystarter delete doesn't seem like a manual choke. Its a screw in the top. I tried to pull up and push down. Unless it's stuck, im not sure what else it could be. May try to lube it to free it loose.

Re: green wires connected to the carb

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:32 pm
by 26red
Okay, i found out my fuse was blown😑😅

When i bought the bikes i was told they both probably needed top end/ piston work, and with the cut wires i just assumed that it was the wiring messed up somewhere. Shoulda checked the fuse in the first place, i just thought that would be too easy and not the problem lol.

I have power now, just switched out carbs along with the bystarter. Although i ran out of juice from the battery, i feel like i will have it running soon.
Kickstart keeps getting jammed so for now im relying on the battery which is on the trickler now.

Re: green wires connected to the carb

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:21 pm
by 26red
Update; its running now. One thing that kept the starter from spinning was the kickstart spindle piece, which i just took out for now.
Got it up to around 25 and it kinda scoots quick, i dont recall my last spree from 2008-2010 going as quickly, although top speed was higher.
Now to buy replacement the parts i took for the one and slap em on.
Thanks for the advice and input.