86 Spree swap from an 87 Elite! Need some input

Does your Spree/Elite already run great, and you're trying to make it quicker/faster? Need a monster motor swap? Discuss your ideas here.

Moderator: Moderator

User avatar
Trafficjamz
CBR1000RR
CBR1000RR
Posts: 5353
Joined: Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:53 pm
Location: Eastlake, MI
Contact:

Re: 86 Spree swap from an 87 Elite! Need some input

Post by Trafficjamz »

nickisaninja wrote:The elite was sitting for 10 years or more that would accumulate some oil in the case. I cleared it out and stopped smoking so much now it just has no power because of the lack of se50 airbox. Did you ship that box yet?
Yes sir.
Check your messages for tracking info. :thumbwink:
new best 1/8th mile time 9.647 seconds @67.155 mph 310lbs total weight
nickisaninja
Goped
Goped
Posts: 56
Joined: Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:35 am

Re: 86 Spree swap from an 87 Elite! Need some input

Post by nickisaninja »

Hopefully I win that stupid pipe on ebay.
If I don't, where can I get a muffler that doesn't restrict my exhaust, doesn't have rust holes and won't kill my wallet?
User avatar
bradthreee
Board Supporter
Board Supporter
Posts: 2142
Joined: Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:20 pm
Location: MARS...

Re: 86 Spree swap from an 87 Elite! Need some input

Post by bradthreee »

No such pipe exists Nick. Everything nice will put a dent in your wallet.
nickisaninja
Goped
Goped
Posts: 56
Joined: Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:35 am

Re: 86 Spree swap from an 87 Elite! Need some input

Post by nickisaninja »

Bah if I don't win that other pipe I'll just make one myself.

Will the 49cc powerplant melt aluminum exhausts? I don't know much about 2cycle exhaust gas temps
nickisaninja
Goped
Goped
Posts: 56
Joined: Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:35 am

Re: 86 Spree swap from an 87 Elite! Need some input

Post by nickisaninja »

I'm putting my ramp plate in. Should I regrease everything or run it dry? I have a couple different grades of hitemp disc brake wheel bearing grease and that's it.

Maybe some lithium grease. Should I run it dry?
User avatar
tw39515
Elite
Elite
Posts: 378
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:42 pm
Location: H-town, TEXAS

Re: 86 Spree swap from an 87 Elite! Need some input

Post by tw39515 »

run it dry. grease likes to get on the belt and is messy.
87 elite dio
01 elite 50
87 aero parting out
85 spree sold
nickisaninja
Goped
Goped
Posts: 56
Joined: Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:35 am

Re: 86 Spree swap from an 87 Elite! Need some input

Post by nickisaninja »

I wiped everything with a greasy rag so there's a very very thin layer.
I took it out for a spin and BAAHHhhhggg....dead. Tomorrow that se50 airbox comes in I'll poast my findings with that.
nickisaninja
Goped
Goped
Posts: 56
Joined: Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:35 am

Re: 86 Spree swap from an 87 Elite! Need some input

Post by nickisaninja »

Got the airbox in, variator ramp plate is in and about 1 second after WOT just bleh and dies.
I'm cleaning out the carb tomorrow and should probably put the filter element in the air box. I'll also need to rejet the carb from restricted to derestricted yes?
nickisaninja
Goped
Goped
Posts: 56
Joined: Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:35 am

Re: 86 Spree swap from an 87 Elite! Need some input

Post by nickisaninja »

Spree now does 35mph =D
Pulls a TON harder up until about 20 then works it's way to 35 on the flats. 32 up a normal hill that would take the spree's little self down to 25.
Also I'm running on heavily treated seafoam fuel to further remove deposits in the carb after "rebuild" so it will probably pick up a tiny bit afterwards.

This is without an air filter by the way. I should probably get some sort of filter in there...hmm. Anyway it is doing a lot better I thank you all for your help and I might need some more help finding parts.
I'd like to drill out the jet instead of buy a ton of them. Where can I get bits small enough? Also who's got a pipe for me?! I pay tuition next week so give a college student a break will ya!
User avatar
Trafficjamz
CBR1000RR
CBR1000RR
Posts: 5353
Joined: Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:53 pm
Location: Eastlake, MI
Contact:

Re: 86 Spree swap from an 87 Elite! Need some input

Post by Trafficjamz »

I told ya the air box would make a big difference. :smile:

Get a filter in there, before you punch any extra holes in it. :wink:

When is the turbo going on? :P
new best 1/8th mile time 9.647 seconds @67.155 mph 310lbs total weight
nickisaninja
Goped
Goped
Posts: 56
Joined: Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:35 am

Re: 86 Spree swap from an 87 Elite! Need some input

Post by nickisaninja »

Turbo goes on as soon as I prepay next term, insurance and anything else that I need to.
I've got a few priorities this scooter is just a hilarity.
nickisaninja
Goped
Goped
Posts: 56
Joined: Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:35 am

Re: 86 Spree swap from an 87 Elite! Need some input

Post by nickisaninja »

I'm hitting 37mph on flats =]

But this thing is SUPER hard to start cold. I'm talking 50* outside cold it will start with the electric starter and bog to death within seconds. Then the electric start will not do much good. A swift kick will get a nice rumble going but without wide open throttle it bogs and dies.
If I keep the throttle up and just go go go it is fine and will hold an idle after it is warmed up. What gives!?
I just cleaned out the fuel tank, cleaned the screen and cleaned/tested petcock function. The carb base mix is 1.5 turns out as per manufacturer spec.
User avatar
Bear45-70
CBR1000RR
CBR1000RR
Posts: 9687
Joined: Mon Jul 23, 1973 10:24 am
Location: Hoodsport, WA.

Re: 86 Spree swap from an 87 Elite! Need some input

Post by Bear45-70 »

The base setting is just that a base setting. You must adjust the mixture screw for the highest RPM possible then adjust the throttle stop screw (idle speed if you prefer) for 1800 = or - 100. I prefer setting idle speed so that the rear wheel will just not turn while the scooter is idling on the center stand, brake off (engine warm of course). WOT should never be required to start these things. Cold, should be NO throttle (because of how the bystarter works) and a warm motor may require just a tiny bit of throttle, but WOT tells you something is real wrong.
Bear 45/70
Image

'83 Aero 80 X 3
'84 Aero 80 X 3

'85 Aero 80
'84 Aero 125 X 2
'84 Aero 125
'84 Aero 125 X 2
'85 Aero 50
'85 Spree
nickisaninja
Goped
Goped
Posts: 56
Joined: Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:35 am

Re: 86 Spree swap from an 87 Elite! Need some input

Post by nickisaninja »

Douched out the carb, adjusted things it starts on the starter quick again and runs a lot better. Do these 2 cycles always have a slight random miss at idle? This thing doesn't seem to be using much oil compared to the spree motor and there is no noticable blue smoke at all, I can't see any through my helmet
User avatar
Wheelman-111
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 11325
Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:09 pm
Location: Deepinnaharta, Texas

Re: 86 Spree swap from an 87 Elite! Need some input

Post by Wheelman-111 »

Greetings:

Quoth Nikisaninja:
Do these 2 cycles always have a slight random miss at idle?
Yes, pretty much.
Wheelman-111
Most of my money is spent on scooterparts. The rest is just wasted.
"ISO": '03 Vespa ET4 Malossi187 74MPH
Flash 9: 2001 Elite SR Contesta 72 ZX Tran, 9:1 Gears, Stock Airbox/Carb/Pipe 58.8 MPH
Punkin: 2010 Vespa/Malossi S78, 61MPH
Post Reply