2001 Elite S 50 - Budget Entry Level Mods?

[W8kbrder]

Greetings:

The S (restricted) pump is a different part number and its output relative to the SR version is not known. However that S model did not come with a cable control, likely because the demands of a Rev-limited engine didn't require it. I wouldn't worry that any damage has been incurred so far, because all is as Honda-san ordained.

If you de-restrict to make it more like an SR, I suggest you consider conversion to the SR-spec pump and cable control. The other option is to plug the pump socket and run premix.

Ok this explains why it runs like there is a govenor on it. It only tops out at 20mp on flat land. I got it up and running...cranks perfect, runs perfect. Its just not very fast. It averages 20mph on flat land....sometimes 19mph.

So if it is rev limited, what are the means of going about getting its stock power potential back. Also if I end up doing 9:1 gears, variator and roller pack, what issues do I need to take care of first regarding this oil pump with no wire deal?

I guess I'm going to have to solve the non-cable issue first and figure out what I can do to remove the "rev limiter" and what all is involved in that process. Any tips will be appreciated.

[Wheelman-111]

Greetings:

The S model is restricted directly and indirectly by:

1. A washer welded into the exhaust headpipe limits the RPM by preventing full-bore flow through the exhaust.

2. A restrictor plate prevents the variator from going past about 1/2 of its available travel.

3. The main jet specified is a #68, compared to a #78 (Which is still pretty lean...) for the unrestricted SR model.

Don't run you de-restricted S until you score a 78 or better still an 82 or 85 main jet. (Honda can get them 99101-187-0850 Underscore is jet size)
With the right jet and stock variator and open exhaust header you should achieve nearly double your current top speed.

Adding an aftermarket variator will allow 42 MPH or better. Adding 9:1 gears to all the above yields about 48 in my direct experience.

[W8kbrder]

Greetings:

The S model is restricted directly and indirectly by:

1. A washer welded into the exhaust headpipe limits the RPM by preventing full-bore flow through the exhaust.

2. A restrictor plate prevents the variator from going past about 1/2 of its available travel.

3. The main jet specified is a #68, compared to a #78 (Which is still pretty lean...) for the unrestricted SR model.

Don't run you de-restricted S until you score a 78 or better still an 82 or 85 main jet. (Honda can get them 99101-187-0850 Underscore is jet size)
With the right jet and stock variator and open exhaust header you should achieve nearly double your current top speed.

Adding an aftermarket variator will allow 42 MPH or better. Adding 9:1 gears to all the above yields about 48 in my direct experience.

Thank You Wheelman! I will be performing those modifications to get it to its stock potential.

What should I do in regards to the missing cable that attaches to the spring operated valve (oil pump)? I'm not even sure where that cable runs, but if I'm performing the previously stated modifications, I'm sure that oil pump valve will need to be operational?

[odinxxix]

just to confirm what wheelman says, i did all of those mods to my elite s and around 48 is what im getting, 85 jet,prodigy variator,7.7 gram rollers(get 7.5 if you can),9:1 gears,opened the other hole in the stock air box,replace belt. and 2k grabber springs in the clutch. 45/48 is what i suspect im getting but not gps'd but the needle stops moving at the U in fuel. but real d*** close to the e in fuel.

[W8kbrder]

So here is my main concern:

Before I do any of the previously stated modifictions, I need to state that my Elite S is the restricted version...meaning the variator has a restrictor plate, the exhaust has a restrictor bolt reducing airflow, the carb has a smaller jet, and there is NO cable attaching to the spring controlled flap on the oil pump.

If I go inside, and remove the restrictor plate on the variator and remove the block in the exhaust that is restricting airflow, as well as change out the small jet in the carb with a normal stock jet, what do I need to do about the cableless oil pump valve circled in red in the picture I posted? Currently my Elite does not have that cable because it is the toned-down restricted version of the normal Elite. I need to know where they cable goes....from the oil pump to where? What causes it to open/close? Is this cable going from the oil pump somehow tied in with the throttle cable?

[Wheelman-111]

Greetings:

The SRs and pretty much all the Aeros except the '85s (Dunno about '83-'84...) have a throttle cable that features a cylindrical device that "splits" the cable's business end into 2. An illustration may be found in parts fiches online.

Your oil pump has a rotating, spring-loaded "throttle" on it too. It's default position is the lowest rate of oil delivery. You'd probably be OK just turning it all the way CCW and Zip-Tying it in that position. Your scooter may smoke a little more at idle, but it should receive enough oil at WOT. The split cables can be found on eBay, and perhaps Tazland has a few remaining.

[W8kbrder]

Greetings:

The SRs and pretty much all the Aeros except the '85s (Dunno about '83-'84...) have a throttle cable that features a cylindrical device that "splits" the cable's business end into 2. An illustration may be found in parts fiches online.

Your oil pump has a rotating, spring-loaded "throttle" on it too. It's default position is the lowest rate of oil delivery. You'd probably be OK just turning it all the way CCW and Zip-Tying it in that position. Your scooter may smoke a little more at idle, but it should receive enough oil at WOT. The split cables can be found on eBay, and perhaps Tazland has a few remaining.

Wow. I love this forum. You guys are great. Excellent information and I appreciate it. I will be documenting the mods with lots of pictures and detail.

[W8kbrder]

Greetings:

The SRs and pretty much all the Aeros except the '85s (Dunno about '83-'84...) have a throttle cable that features a cylindrical device that "splits" the cable's business end into 2. An illustration may be found in parts fiches online.

Your oil pump has a rotating, spring-loaded "throttle" on it too. It's default position is the lowest rate of oil delivery. You'd probably be OK just turning it all the way CCW and Zip-Tying it in that position. Your scooter may smoke a little more at idle, but it should receive enough oil at WOT. The split cables can be found on eBay, and perhaps Tazland has a few remaining.

If I'm trying to buy the throttle cable that features the "cylindrical device that splits the cable's business" ....is there a particular part number for this?

[Flea_Biskit]

man i had to go back and check but i could of sworn that wheelman told him twice how to unrestrict his elite

[W8kbrder]

Greetings:

The S model is restricted directly and indirectly by:

1. A washer welded into the exhaust headpipe limits the RPM by preventing full-bore flow through the exhaust.

2. A restrictor plate prevents the variator from going past about 1/2 of its available travel.

3. The main jet specified is a #68, compared to a #78 (Which is still pretty lean...) for the unrestricted SR model.

Don't run you de-restricted S until you score a 78 or better still an 82 or 85 main jet. (Honda can get them 99101-187-0850 Underscore is jet size)
With the right jet and stock variator and open exhaust header you should achieve nearly double your current top speed.

Adding an aftermarket variator will allow 42 MPH or better. Adding 9:1 gears to all the above yields about 48 in my direct experience.

Questions for Wheelman or anyone else regarding the above 3 questions:

1.) Drilling out the welded washer in the exhaust headpipe should be no problem

2.) Does anyone have a picture or diagram of the restrictor plate "preventing the variator from going past 1/2 of its availiable travel". I need to know what needs to come apart to get to this.

3.) Who sells the #78 jet for the carb and how much does it run?

[Wheelman-111]

Greetings:

2. Check the Service Manual section. Remove the variator. You should see 3 small bolts - 7mm hex heads. A thin-walled box-end wrench or socket is needed to remove them. The flat circular plate behind them can be discarded, along with the bolts.

3. Read this number to your dealer's Parts Dude: 99101-187-0780. They run about $5.00, or about 42MPH. The last 4 digits represent the size. You might want to order an -0820 and an 0880 while you're at it, in case you decide to fool with the airbox.

Good luck!

[Elite50USD]

Greetings:

The SRs and pretty much all the Aeros except the '85s (Dunno about '83-'84...) have a throttle cable that features a cylindrical device that "splits" the cable's business end into 2. An illustration may be found in parts fiches online.

Your oil pump has a rotating, spring-loaded "throttle" on it too. It's default position is the lowest rate of oil delivery. You'd probably be OK just turning it all the way CCW and Zip-Tying it in that position. Your scooter may smoke a little more at idle, but it should receive enough oil at WOT. The split cables can be found on eBay, and perhaps Tazland has a few remaining.

If I'm trying to buy the throttle cable that features the "cylindrical device that splits the cable's business" ....is there a particular part number for this?

This is the part number for the Elite SR (the de-resticted at stock version) throttle cable. It has a split at the end for the oil pump!

SKU: 17920-GS7-325

[Trinity1]

Hey Guys

Trying to do the same type of restricitons on my 2001 Honda Elite S 50

I tried going to the cite listed below by ODIN for the variator parts....but I can't seem to find them on that page

"http://scootspecs.wordpress.com/
go here for the variator and maybe a set of 9:1 gears. 92.00 shipped. maybe a set of grabber springs"

I am an Old Man in need of some help~~~~~and a combat Vet~~~ can someone PLEASe help me out here!

[evilone]

I tried going to the cite listed below by ODIN for the variator parts....but I can't seem to find them on that page

"http://scootspecs.wordpress.com/
go here for the variator and maybe a set of 9:1 gears. 92.00 shipped. maybe a set of grabber springs"

I am an Old Man in need of some help~~~~~and a combat Vet~~~ can someone PLEASe help me out here!

That site was up and running at the time Odin posted it. Since then Yan (site owner) has gotten out of the scooter scene. No more parts that i know of.

[Trafficjamz]

you can get gears on ebay.

are you looking for 9:1's