Honda Spree and Elite 50 Forums

Just messing around today with old parts, and made a discovery.

An AF05E Crank and bearings fits inside a sb50 (elite E) case.

Maybe this is a useless discovery.

Or maybe this is the first step in designing a variator setup for the non-variated elite E






Any thoughts? Questions?

That could be a major discovery!

The Elite ES (Pal) was variated. From what I've read, it had a wider belt case than an Elite E. Maybe the ES used the same crank as the bigger Elite 50.

Nice work TJ

Makes me wonder if the case of the SB50 is slightly wider than the NQ50 to compensate for the variator

Do you have Spree cases or SB50 cases?

Great information 'jamz

The only thing is, by the time you've bought the crank, variator assembly, suitable transmission cover, and maybe new clutch then split the engine, wouldn't it be just as easy and similar cost-wise to just buy a Dio engine and do a swap? Of course fabbing the engine mount may be an issue.............

bradthreee wrote:Nice work TJ

Makes me wonder if the case of the SB50 is slightly wider than the NQ50 to compensate for the variator

Do you have Spree cases or SB50 cases?

I have a little of everything lying around.

I was going to give my friend, spreetard, a crank from a elite E ,for his spree.

but the elite e crank does not fit the spree case It was bigger
That got me thinking
I had tried to put an AF05E in a spree case before and it did not fit in the same way.
So I tried the AF05E in the elite E case..... Fit like a glove.

The elite E case is slightly wider up by the front pulley, than the spree case.

Nice work - and looking forwards to all it leads to.

That is true. There is a variated pal engine. They are hard to find. I would love to get my hands on one.

Taz

i 3rd the props... nice work dude; using oem Honda parts to make a "hybrid" engine is freaking killer.

looking forward to your future posts about this....



-jon

z50r-blank wrote:i 3rd the props... nice work dude; using oem Honda parts to make a "hybrid" engine is freaking killer.

looking forward to your future posts about this....



-jon

I was thinking along those same lines but the word that popped in my head is "Frankenstein" motor like LS-Vtec...

bradthreee wrote:Do you have Spree cases or SB50 cases?

To follow up on that question, are you using the early or late Spree cases?

az_slynch wrote:

bradthreee wrote:Do you have Spree cases or SB50 cases?

To follow up on that question, are you using the early or late Spree cases?

This is a sb50 case (elite e) not a spree.

Trafficjamz wrote:This is a sb50 case (Elite e) not a spree.

I understand that your discovery came with a SB50 case. My question was directed toward what version of the Spree case were you trying to put the SB50 crank into? Word on the street is that the '86-'87 cases are bigger inside to allow for a bigger crankshaft.

az_slynch wrote:

Trafficjamz wrote:This is a sb50 case (Elite e) not a spree.

I understand that your discovery came with a SB50 case. My question was directed toward what version of the Spree case were you trying to put the SB50 crank into? Word on the street is that the '86-'87 cases are bigger inside to allow for a bigger crankshaft.

Word on the street is correct!

My first try on a spree case was a 1985.

Today i tried an 86 spree case......and it fit wit no problems




Easy way to put a variator on the spree

Can you still line up a starter on that spree now?