the next step: just gears? big bore? ADVICE PLEASE
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the next step: just gears? big bore? ADVICE PLEASE
Hey guys,
I'm at a crossroads. I need more speed, but don't want to A) spend much money and B) have to do much maintenance. (me and the rest of the world, I know...) Just to bring you up to speed on my current ride, I've gone through a ton of problems of constantly running lean, even after re-jetting when I installed the R1 exhaust, and the aftermarket chrome airfilter, so I put the airbox and stock pipe back on. Sold/gave away the R1 and filter. I currently get around 37 or 38 mph out of my stock+variator setup. It's pretty unsafe on the 45mph speed zones here, with cars doing around 50-55.
So I'm torn. My options:
1. get the 9:1 gears and 7gram rollers like everyone says, but realize that's another $100 for a top speed of probably 43, which still won't really fix the problem. 47ish is the minimum
2. big bore: around $200 + gears + rollers = total of around $300+ $250 motorcycle license* = $550. This also brings a good amount of time tuning and stuff which I really don't have time for.
3. sell Elite for around $500 and get a 150cc scoot that'll get 65ish without much work
options 2:
would my scooter be fine without replacing the carb, manifold, clutch springs, exhaust, and everything else I read about, or would all of that need to be changed if I went big bore? If so, that's another $400ish, if I estimate right? If that's the case, I'd have to be spending $550+$400=950. If I sold my Elite instead, that would give me a budget of around $1500 if that makes sense to you. *my dad's requiring me to get the necessary license if my scoot is over 50cc, even if the DMV never would know
option 3: what would you suggest for a fast, good, reliable 100cc or 150cc scoot? I tried a friends genuine buddy blackjack this past weekend, and it was AMAZING, but about $4,000, so that's out of the question.... found this
thoughts?
I know this is a ton of text, thanks for reading and for your help.
-Jesse
I'm at a crossroads. I need more speed, but don't want to A) spend much money and B) have to do much maintenance. (me and the rest of the world, I know...) Just to bring you up to speed on my current ride, I've gone through a ton of problems of constantly running lean, even after re-jetting when I installed the R1 exhaust, and the aftermarket chrome airfilter, so I put the airbox and stock pipe back on. Sold/gave away the R1 and filter. I currently get around 37 or 38 mph out of my stock+variator setup. It's pretty unsafe on the 45mph speed zones here, with cars doing around 50-55.
So I'm torn. My options:
1. get the 9:1 gears and 7gram rollers like everyone says, but realize that's another $100 for a top speed of probably 43, which still won't really fix the problem. 47ish is the minimum
2. big bore: around $200 + gears + rollers = total of around $300+ $250 motorcycle license* = $550. This also brings a good amount of time tuning and stuff which I really don't have time for.
3. sell Elite for around $500 and get a 150cc scoot that'll get 65ish without much work
options 2:
would my scooter be fine without replacing the carb, manifold, clutch springs, exhaust, and everything else I read about, or would all of that need to be changed if I went big bore? If so, that's another $400ish, if I estimate right? If that's the case, I'd have to be spending $550+$400=950. If I sold my Elite instead, that would give me a budget of around $1500 if that makes sense to you. *my dad's requiring me to get the necessary license if my scoot is over 50cc, even if the DMV never would know
option 3: what would you suggest for a fast, good, reliable 100cc or 150cc scoot? I tried a friends genuine buddy blackjack this past weekend, and it was AMAZING, but about $4,000, so that's out of the question.... found this
thoughts?
I know this is a ton of text, thanks for reading and for your help.
-Jesse
Re: the next step: just gears? big bore? ADVICE PLEASE
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Re: the next step: just gears? big bore? ADVICE PLEASE
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Re: the next step: just gears? big bore? ADVICE PLEASE
If you have to do maintenance, you should not be doing mods, unless those maintenance items can be upgraded for a bit more. You can't expect a bike the doesn't run well to run better when you change half of the parts and don't know where to start tuning.
You said all the supplementary mods would cost $400, and that brings you up to $950. Are you buying a $550 big bore?
You don't need a license for a big bore, unless your friendly neighborhood cop likes to tear down motors and calibrate his digital caliper on the side of the highway.
100cc-150cc that I usually see around here are all chinese. I guess GY6 bikes have a big following, but I've seen a few cranks that are toasted under 1k miles. I would NEVER waste my money on those. Plus you have to get a motorcycle license.
If it were me, I'd go for maintenance + upgrades on the elite.
bore, carb, manifold, gears from limp1144 = 250 + shipping
All you need is an exhaust ($125-350+ lot of leeway depending what you want)
Rollerpack on ebay $18
You said all the supplementary mods would cost $400, and that brings you up to $950. Are you buying a $550 big bore?
You don't need a license for a big bore, unless your friendly neighborhood cop likes to tear down motors and calibrate his digital caliper on the side of the highway.
100cc-150cc that I usually see around here are all chinese. I guess GY6 bikes have a big following, but I've seen a few cranks that are toasted under 1k miles. I would NEVER waste my money on those. Plus you have to get a motorcycle license.
If it were me, I'd go for maintenance + upgrades on the elite.
bore, carb, manifold, gears from limp1144 = 250 + shipping
All you need is an exhaust ($125-350+ lot of leeway depending what you want)
Rollerpack on ebay $18
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Re: the next step: just gears? big bore? ADVICE PLEASE
He had a hard tunning just a pipe and variator before this.now if you throw in a big bore and carb now he will have more things to tune and worry about plus maintain. your best bet is to get the 150cc scooter so you can keep up with traffic.plus if you decide to get a motorcycle you will already have your endorsment for it.808BMW wrote:If you have to do maintenance, you should not be doing mods, unless those maintenance items can be upgraded for a bit more. You can't expect a bike the doesn't run well to run better when you change half of the parts and don't know where to start tuning.
You said all the supplementary mods would cost $400, and that brings you up to $950. Are you buying a $550 big bore?
You don't need a license for a big bore, unless your friendly neighborhood cop likes to tear down motors and calibrate his digital caliper on the side of the highway.
100cc-150cc that I usually see around here are all chinese. I guess GY6 bikes have a big following, but I've seen a few cranks that are toasted under 1k miles. I would NEVER waste my money on those. Plus you have to get a motorcycle license.
If it were me, I'd go for maintenance + upgrades on the elite.
bore, carb, manifold, gears from limp1144 = 250 + shipping
All you need is an exhaust ($125-350+ lot of leeway depending what you want)
Rollerpack on ebay $18
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Re: the next step: just gears? big bore? ADVICE PLEASE
Yeah if you can't/won't tune it you should never change anything
If I were to get a motorcycle license I'd just buy an enduro or something. Way faster than a scooter, and used will easily be in the $1000-$2000 range anywhere. If you take your test with the scooter, you'll only be approved for belt driven motorcycles, so it's not like you can get a real motorcycle later because your "already have the license" since you wouldn't be approved for chain driven.
If I were to get a motorcycle license I'd just buy an enduro or something. Way faster than a scooter, and used will easily be in the $1000-$2000 range anywhere. If you take your test with the scooter, you'll only be approved for belt driven motorcycles, so it's not like you can get a real motorcycle later because your "already have the license" since you wouldn't be approved for chain driven.
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Re: the next step: just gears? big bore? ADVICE PLEASE
my math for the 400 was from daywot's parts... the other $550 was 200 for a bore, 250 for a license, + rollers and shipping = around $950 totalYou said all the supplementary mods would cost $400, and that brings you up to $950. Are you buying a $550 big bore?
My dad will make me. I understand they'd never know, but that's what he said. I'm not going to argue with him...You don't need a license for a big bore, unless your friendly neighborhood cop likes to tear down motors and calibrate his digital caliper on the side of the highway.
What do you mean by this?If you have to do maintenance, you should not be doing mods, unless those maintenance items can be upgraded for a bit more.
I did, but that was because I had never touched a motor before I got my scooter. I've learned a ton since, obviously. Probably will be a lot of new stuff to learn working with a bore/carb/mani also, but I don't mind learning. It just got really annoying when I took everything off and on (exhaust, variator, jets) 10-15 times to find out that the parts I was trying to get to work simply wouldn't for the stock setup I was running. That isn't fun tuning to me, that's frustrating annoying tuning. I don't mind the tuning, as long as it's a one time, set the bike up, get it tuned right, swap jets, swap rollers, break it in, and then be set. I want it to be dependable and low maintenance once everything's installed and tuned.He had a hard tunning just a pipe and variator before this
Thanks a ton for the help guys, for real
Re: the next step: just gears? big bore? ADVICE PLEASE
anything but stock will NOT be low maintenance.Again tunning a carb pipe and bigbore is going to be just as fustrating as what you were dealing with before.
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Re: the next step: just gears? big bore? ADVICE PLEASE
i think that the big bore is a great idea but....... in this case i would do the 150cc scooter. it will cost the same in any way you do it. if you get your endorcement, get a friend with a 400cc or bigger and take it so you wont have problems later. I have a no restriction lic because i took it on a 750cc and i ride a spree.
good luck
p.s. if you do the upgrade to your scooter you will learn ALOT and you will be a haus in the scooter world, but you better like tinkering forever.
good luck
p.s. if you do the upgrade to your scooter you will learn ALOT and you will be a haus in the scooter world, but you better like tinkering forever.
86 spree with honda cb750 rear shock
xr50 knobby tires, 32mph on slightly restricted craftsman air filter.
Scooter was stolen so i have to make it look good again
xr50 knobby tires, 32mph on slightly restricted craftsman air filter.
Scooter was stolen so i have to make it look good again
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Re: the next step: just gears? big bore? ADVICE PLEASE
Just FYI that is A STEAL for a budd125
they sell for near $3000 new and his price is 1400 OBO.. looks cherry too, and they are freakin solid great scoots
55-60mph performance, great acceleration and 90mpg
NOT chinese made, Taiwan imported by PGO with 2yr warranty new
we sell a lot of them at our shop and I highly recommend them to many ppl
they sell for near $3000 new and his price is 1400 OBO.. looks cherry too, and they are freakin solid great scoots
55-60mph performance, great acceleration and 90mpg
NOT chinese made, Taiwan imported by PGO with 2yr warranty new
we sell a lot of them at our shop and I highly recommend them to many ppl
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Re: the next step: just gears? big bore? ADVICE PLEASE
I emailed him yesterday, and he said someone had JUST picked it up
Re: the next step: just gears? big bore? ADVICE PLEASE
remember jesse i still have parts to make it go fast
Re: the next step: just gears? big bore? ADVICE PLEASE
I'm aware, I am just trying to be mindful of how much time it will take to get things tuned right, and the fact that I'm moving into an apartment with little to no tools.
Also trying to weigh that against the fact that I have enjoyed learning about motors doing the little bit of tuning that I have
Also trying to weigh that against the fact that I have enjoyed learning about motors doing the little bit of tuning that I have
Re: the next step: just gears? big bore? ADVICE PLEASE
Nice website. Very nice, good job. ya if you are going to buy parts get them hereLimp1144 wrote:remember jesse i still have parts to make it go fast
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86 spree with honda cb750 rear shock
xr50 knobby tires, 32mph on slightly restricted craftsman air filter.
Scooter was stolen so i have to make it look good again
xr50 knobby tires, 32mph on slightly restricted craftsman air filter.
Scooter was stolen so i have to make it look good again
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Re: the next step: just gears? big bore? ADVICE PLEASE
Greetings:
Young Jesse is college-bound; Submitted:
Ah, the Boudoir Mechanic, one of which I are...
Picture a cold, rainy night in October. You need to work on your ride to make it to your Origami 201 class in the morning. Would you prefer to carry your new Chinese-made Buddy-Boy 150 upstairs to Jesseland, or your current svelte 140-lb Elite?
Wheelman knows which one he'd choose...
Seriously, do a mild mod with a respected Italian 47mm bore and get a V8 or equivalent 72cc pipe. Keep the stock carb, upjetted to whatever the kit demands - say a 96 if you stick a pod filter on it. Put in your quality Italian 7-gram rollers and enjoy dependable 55+ top end all the school year long. You only have to tinker a lot if you're scratching the ragged edge of performance limits.
Anyonecan be quick and reliable with 150cc. (Well, unless it's Chinese...) The grins I get squirting out ahead of traffic on this innocent-looking Honda "50" are priceless. YMMV.
Young Jesse is college-bound; Submitted:
time it will take to get things tuned right, and the fact that I'm moving into an apartment with little to no tools.
Ah, the Boudoir Mechanic, one of which I are...
Picture a cold, rainy night in October. You need to work on your ride to make it to your Origami 201 class in the morning. Would you prefer to carry your new Chinese-made Buddy-Boy 150 upstairs to Jesseland, or your current svelte 140-lb Elite?
Wheelman knows which one he'd choose...
Seriously, do a mild mod with a respected Italian 47mm bore and get a V8 or equivalent 72cc pipe. Keep the stock carb, upjetted to whatever the kit demands - say a 96 if you stick a pod filter on it. Put in your quality Italian 7-gram rollers and enjoy dependable 55+ top end all the school year long. You only have to tinker a lot if you're scratching the ragged edge of performance limits.
Anyonecan be quick and reliable with 150cc. (Well, unless it's Chinese...) The grins I get squirting out ahead of traffic on this innocent-looking Honda "50" are priceless. YMMV.
Wheelman-111
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"ISO": '03 Vespa ET4 Malossi187 74MPH
Flash 9: 2001 Elite SR Contesta 72 ZX Tran, 9:1 Gears, Stock Airbox/Carb/Pipe 58.8 MPH
Punkin: 2010 Vespa/Malossi S78, 61MPH
Most of my money is spent on scooterparts. The rest is just wasted.
"ISO": '03 Vespa ET4 Malossi187 74MPH
Flash 9: 2001 Elite SR Contesta 72 ZX Tran, 9:1 Gears, Stock Airbox/Carb/Pipe 58.8 MPH
Punkin: 2010 Vespa/Malossi S78, 61MPH